Fuel Strike - Your opinion

[PK|Hexx]

Seen as its going to be an issue and its in the news i figured we may as well have a thread on it,

so what do you actually think about the fuel strikes, good for trying to lower fuel prices, bad for causing a serious backlash, panic buying

just give your thoughts and opinions people...

[Jman]

well they haven't even started yet and the spanners in cambridge have already started loading their tanks up - meaning that everyone that needs fuel has to wait like half an hour to fill up! oh - and we can't even fill our tanks because they've started rationing it to 20 litres per person (bullshit when my tank can take about 55-60!!!)
i think the government are wankers for not lowering fuel tax - (although the prices are high because of other non-tax related factors) they should still lower them to help people out who are having their pants pulled down just to carry on business. people like hauliers and couriers won't be able to run at these prices for long!

strike strike strike

[PK|Hexx]

precisely, so they will have to lower the prices or loads of hauliage companies will go under. Personally i was pissed off monday when it took me half an hour just to get out the fucking work place, today ive had to wait 10 mins and 5 mins a couple times when going on road test :S

oh well another tank delivery tommorrow ready for the strikes ;-)

just hope it goes on for a good couple weeks or so might be able to skive off work

[Jenni]

it just shows how normally intelligent people can be turned into a mass of idiots hanging on the every word of the media. The general public have made this pianic situation so they can suffer the consequenses of it. My bike gets 140 miles out of a £4 tank so it doesnt bother me, i wont have to fill up for a while :)

[Jman]

ah i remember when i had my 125 - a fiver would last me a fortnight! thinking about buying a cheap moped and siphoning the -petrol out of my car for the duration of the strikes :D

[PK|Deep Blue]

Any discount on Brown's sponging us dry is a good thing.

Ban china from oil imports, ban them from refining their crude oil, and send it to us, or let the opec borg assmutilate them!

Seriously though, i wont have to fill my car up this week, then im off for a week to dubai, so by that time it'll either have blown off or yadda yadda :D

[PK|Colonel Ames]

The funny thing is, if people didn't panic and just filled up their cars as they would normaly (when they get low on fuel) there would be enough in the tanks to last 3 - 4 days, by which time this will all have blown over.

People are like bunnys in headlights. All sense of reason fucks off to have a pint, leaving the person to act like a complete fuck tard!

[Jman]

well everyone in cambridge is shitting their pants about it! the usual mania of the school rush (mostly wankers in 4x4's that have never been off road...grr...) is made 100x worse with everyone filling up any form of container with petrol.
get some sense - if we run out, we dont have to work :D

[PK|Deep Blue]

is that totally true? Not for me come rain, shine or the apocalypse i have to be at work!

Yeah the faux 4x4 people killers do me head in too, their cars are about neck height in a side impact with a normal shaped car, what joy. Having said that ive always fancied a defender :D

Yeah am fortunate to be going away for a week, i get about 380 miles to a tank, which now costs me over 60quid, mind you it's smiles per gallon baby!

[PK|Cerro]

Its great how we have the cheapest oil in Europe and then you add the tax - and we're nearly the most expensive!

Still if Scotland had gone independant 30 years ago we'd be looking like Norway now and england would be suffering. We'd be paying less tax and have better services - something the english government knew and hid for 30yrs...

As for fuel protestors - most of it won't happen because the government will take away their haulage licenses (although they're not telling the general public of this gestpo tactic), its because there isn't popular support for it (government's line!)

[PK|Hexx]

my car holds about £25 quids worth but atm due to some problems with it, its drinking tons and im getting poor performance (will be resolved soon)

think its time to get a new car imo...

oh well no blockades today, they are holding a peaceful protest (see how long that lasts) - hopefully when they realise the government arent listening they will take stronger action

[PK|Solid_Snake]

mmm well did u guys know that u could use cooking oil in slightly modified diesel engines? they mix it with normal petrol in germany so it lowers the gas prices, i think we should all do that, even in france u can't find anymore colza (a special oil) oil in stores its all sold out!

[Jman]

is that totally true? Not for me come rain, shine or the apocalypse i have to be at work!

well they'd appreciate me getting to work, but i'm not walking or cycling twenty miles for anyone!!! so tough shit basically :D

[Jenni]

wankers in 4x4's that have never been off road

i saw an advert in a newspaper once for "spray on mud" for people who have 4x4's that never go off road so it makes them look as though they do?! how sad is that!

[PK|Default PlayR]

i saw an advert in a newspaper once for "spray on mud" for people who have 4x4's that never go off road so it makes them look as though they do?! how sad is that!

yeah i saw that! how stoooooooooooooooooooopid!

over 60p per litre is tax on petrol.

Im all for the strike. I need to get my bike fixed before they do though lol!

STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE!

[PK|Deep Blue]

You can run conventional diesels on upto 50% vegetable oil

The govt was giving out grants for LPG conversions, they aint anymore, I'd probably convert my next car to bi-fuel tbh

[PK|Hexx]

nawww dude!!! hydrogen power cells are IN get a hydrogen powered car ;-)

[PK|Colonel Ames]

Top Gear filled a Volvo Diesel with sunflower oil and it ran for nearly 38 Hours non stop. this was an ordinary diesel engineen. imagine how long it would last for an engine that was designed for sunflower oil?

[PK|Default PlayR]

You can run conventional diesels on upto 50% vegetable oil

The govt was giving out grants for LPG conversions, they aint anymore, I'd probably convert my next car to bi-fuel tbh

yeah u can, but the fumes freakin STINK!! and its also illegal, so if the police smell it on your car, you're busted!

[PK|Cerro]

why is it illegal? government not like it when you actually help the environment and dodge their bs taxes?

[PK|Default PlayR]

why is it illegal? government not like it when you actually help the environment and dodge their bs taxes?

exactly

[PK|Hexx]

Top Gear filled a Volvo Diesel with sunflower oil and it ran for nearly 38 Hours non stop. this was an ordinary diesel engineen. imagine how long it would last for an engine that was designed for sunflower oil?

they used - Used cooking oils from chinese restaurants etc and then used an additive with the oil - a diesel will not run off just the oil lol!


but there is a cheaper alternative than diesel but will fuck your engine up after a while - parafin

as for fuels scientists in america are actually working on a way to fuel cars with coffee and piss - dont know how that works but there you go

EDIT-> they used an old volvo for a reason - as far as diesels go they were uneconomical compared to modern diesels which use more complicated electronics and much more complicated fuel layouts including precise injectors, so a modern mondeo diesel will probably not run on that shit

[Greasy]

It's not illegal at all.

All you need to do is declare it as a transportation fuel and the appropriate duty will be levied. There's a bio-diesel filling station in Stroud that does exactly this, although it costs more than normal DERV at the moment so there's no point.

You are quite legally entitled to produce your own fuel such as bio-diesel and as long as it's dutied accordingly, then it's perfectly legal. The duty is about 27p per litre, and there's no VAT to pay, so it can work out significantly cheaper per litre (assuming you have the facilities for manufacture :D)

[PK|Colonel Ames]

Exactly... you need to be feckin rich to be able to afford the facilities to mass produce.

[PK|Default PlayR]

It's not illegal at all.

All you need to do is declare it as a transportation fuel and the appropriate duty will be levied. There's a bio-diesel filling station in Stroud that does exactly this, although it costs more than normal DERV at the moment so there's no point.

You are quite legally entitled to produce your own fuel such as bio-diesel and as long as it's dutied accordingly, then it's perfectly legal. The duty is about 27p per litre, and there's no VAT to pay, so it can work out significantly cheaper per litre (assuming you have the facilities for manufacture :D)

yeah u have to declare it, then they charge u more tax so you aint gaining fuck all....

and when u dont declare it, its illegal....

[PK|Colonel Ames]

Government are a bunch of school bullies! its like stealing a kids lunch money.

[PK|Hexx]

well if you panzies used a push bike you will pay NO VAT at all, i would but i dont fancy biking 9 miles to work at 6:30 in the morning

[PK|Colonel Ames]

you're included with us "Panzies" Hexx yopu munter!

[PK|Hexx]

well you are the ones bitching about the government loading vat on all forms of fuel - not me, doesnt bother me in the slightest because ive bought an economical car, and know how to get the most mpg out of it,

i get to 80 mph and then put the clutch down and turn the engine off, so much better

[Greasy]

yeah u have to declare it, then they charge u more tax so you aint gaining fuck all....

and when u dont declare it, its illegal....

You do gain, because the duty is about half what it is on a litre of regular diesel! It's more suitable for farmers/industries at the moment because they can invest in the production facilities.

[PK|Default PlayR]

You do gain, because the duty is about half what it is on a litre of regular diesel! It's more suitable for farmers/industries at the moment because they can invest in the production facilities.

yeah it would be better for farmers lol!

can just imagine going into tescos and gettin everywhere bottle of sunflower oil they have on a trolley....

MY NUMBER OF POSTS IS 666!! HAR HAR THAT IS FREAKIN SWEET!

[PK|Cerro]

farmers run on red diesel - much less tax, illegal for use in anything other than farming vehicles.

[PK|Mojo J-Lo]

well everyone in cambridge is shitting their pants about it! the usual mania of the school rush (mostly wankers in 4x4's that have never been off road...grr...) is made 100x worse with everyone filling up any form of container with petrol.
get some sense - if we run out, we dont have to work :D
Without off road tyres if they even tried going off road in their fancy 4x4 they'd get stuck anyway.

mmm well did u guys know that u could use cooking oil in slightly modified diesel engines? they mix it with normal petrol in germany so it lowers the gas prices, i think we should all do that, even in france u can't find anymore colza (a special oil) oil in stores its all sold out!
My Dad runs his car on 100% vegetable oil at the moment. No engine modification is needed. All you have to do is pay the 27.5p tax per litre, and seeing used the oil costs 9p, and brand new it costs 45p, it's still cheaper. Generally speaking theres no down side, the fumes don't smell any different and the milage is about the same, though having to go out your way to declare tax (keeping 2 years of records etc), and getting the oil into your car looks funny sometimes, as we've still not got a pump setup.

2 points to make. 1) If you run a diesel car check which pump it has if it's a Bosh (I think it's bosh though it could be the other way round) it'll be fine, if it's a lucas don't even bother.
2) just pouring vegetable oil straight into your car as fun as it may sound can be trouble. In the winter the vegetable oil, which is already thinker than diesel (hence why it can burn out lucas pumps) gets thicker still. The oil can solidify in your fuel lines, and your car won't start.
If you're going to do this seriously, you convert your car...run a little diesel/bio-diesel tank in your boot...run that for 5 mins while your engine heats up a heat exchange, then switch to your main tank (oil) which will run fine now your engine is hot...switch back a few seconds before you stop the engine and it'll start fine next time.

Just remember keep it legal. Oh and that when the price of petrol and diesel goes up over the winter, that used veg oil stays the same price (9p a litre), and that the 3/4 of a ton of used oil we have already will last long enough. Mwahaha

[PK|Deep Blue]

So... bio diesel or Bi-fuel? Which to go for?

[Black_Knight]

bio diesal definitely cos Bi-fuel swings both ways.....

sorry, the voices in my head made me do it

[PK|Hexx]

Without off road tyres if they even tried going off road in their fancy 4x4 they'd get stuck anyway.

2 things, 4x4s have tyres designed to go off road on them - why do you think they are so massive!

and also - bosch lucas? im guessing your dad has a peugoet/citroen/renault

i could be wrong just a general guess -

and also what age is it

and also, it cant be 100% vege oil needs something to thin it out otherwise it would clog all your filters up...

and ive been informed that it only works with Used Oil as well

[PK|Default PlayR]

and also - bosch lucas? im guessing your dad has a peugoet/citroen/renault



i think he is trying to say bosch, mojo didn't spell it correctly..